You are in for a couple of surprises today. Well, you already saw the first. In nearly five years of blogging I’ve never used French in a blog title. Don’t get me started about the French.
The second surprise is that I am a liberal. A classic liberal.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
–Lord Acton
Classic liberals have an inherent distrust of government, and especially unbridled government power. From my days of political awakening as an anti-war protester in the 70s (misguided though I was) it has always been so. The irony that I have spent a lifetime working for the government dosen’t change a thing either. Respect, yes. Trust, not so much.
Commenter Kevin asks why I think polls matter and cites the former President’s dismal poll numbers. Well, polls only matter to the extent that the indicate something of how likely voters feel about the the performance of our elected leaders. And clearly the majority of folks are not pleased. It seems they must matter to those in power as well, otherwise the “healthcare” debate would not have evolved into “insurance reform”.
Last I looked, Obama has Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress. So, if polls don’t matter, why don’t our political betters get on with doing what’s best for us, whether we like it or not?
Frank Wilson notes that many Europeans “think that the U.S. Constitution confers certain rights on the nation’s citizens. As it happens, it does not. It simply acknowledges what the Declaration of Independence makes eminently clear, that those citizens “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights” and that government exists “to secure these rights.”
That’s exactly the point. And what Obama and Congress fail to remember at their peril is this:
Americans regard themselves as citizens, not subjects. They may respect their government, but few feel servile toward it, and most are wary of it.
So, to answer Kevin, I’d say the polls are indicative of the fact that what we are witnessing in America today is not an angry mob of rightwing Nazi racists (as Pelosi and Reid would have you believe). It is rather a reflection that when average Americans perceive a threat to their liberty, the rise up in protest. It has been that way since the first tea party in Boston.
We will not go quietly.
Those protest have as much credence as the loony anti-war protest we had during Bush. Most, not all, are fringe.
And that fringe is being stoked by pundits and loud voices on the Right (Rush, Beck et al) claiming Obama wants to use government money for abortions, create death panels and create only a government option for health care. People are encouraged to go “shout down” these officials with these accusations.
These people are entitled to feel and express any opinion or concern that they have. However it appears that no one wants to offer alternatives or new ideas, they only want to shout and make wild accusations.
As I have said before, I wish that rather than embrace the vocal fringe, the Republicans would actually offer some answers.
Kevin: To some degree you are right. But, the republicans are complicit too. That is the real reason people are angry. I saw John McCains townhall. He was asked specifically if he would take the public option. He said we need to concentrate on the 10 items I have listed on my white board. Bottom line, he did not answer the question. These elites, as they like to think of themselves, have to go. Now we have dems calling other dems brain-dead. We have a president who has spent over $500,000 to fight releasing his college records or anything that would truly define him. How did a man with not a clear means of support go to Harvard, buy a $1.5 million home (Rezko another convicted felon)? Darn near everyone this guy is associated with is a crook. Fortuneate said last week (or whenever) that all politicians have some shady associates. True. But the people that have been pointed out are not associates. They are his top advisers. Big difference. The dems have a history of shooting themselves in the foot when thay gain power. Then it’s back to the reps. This next 3 year election cycle I just hope the American public throw them all out and actually enact term limits.
Finally, some meat here – good conversation. Hopefully this would engender some pertinent discussion about what is going in our rapidly becoming God Forsaken country, but I sincerely doubt it will, very much anyway, no offense intended.
Frank is being nice by saying Kevin is to some degree right……. everyone is to some degree right nearly no matter what their opinion, even me. But in my view Kevin is not right at all. He is cherry picking…… pointing out the things that have merit in his view but not considering the whole picture. Alas, we all suffer from this malady because it is so hard to spend enough time with any issue as to be fully informed and even if we could, our political bias’ would probably still cause us to skew our commentary. But Kevin is a liberal so he will lean that way, but sadly probably exclude mostly anything that doesn’t agree with his lean. Now, as a retired guy living in the EST zone, I have access to alot of news coverage and read lots more online. Surely don’t have many let alone all the answers…..we live in difficult and perilous times…..but I do have a few opinions. One thing I’m pretty sure of is that Kevin is relatively young, hence his liberal leanings cut I could be wrong on that. Frank is more mature in age and always tries to be a nice guy – and is pretty accurate, IMV, in his above comments – considerable praise intended. John is fairly well informed, obviously watching/reading/surfing a good bit of news coverage, but is very careful not to offend anyone and he is able not too. John was a liberal in his youth, most people are, then he grew up he, as most people do, saw the light, so to speak. And I agree completely with his assessment of the stance of the American electorate vis-Ã -vis their trust/distrust of the government.
One point of significance, though, regarding the issue of offering alternatives……. at these town hall meetings I’ve seen on television, I’ve seen some pretty articulate people offer some good alternatives/solutions, albeit in very condensed forms……. and have been universally heartened to see thinking people come forward – fact is, they did and I didn’t, as of yet anyway….and that counts for something in my book. Another observation here, for some reason people are fond of labeling the ‘fringe’ as some sort of hair on fire negative thing……and since when does that universally follow? If one were to undertake a demographic profile of the citizen base he would see that people with very motivated views were a small percentage of the group and he would also see that the percentage of the group with very informed views were similarly a small segment…… likewise, on the other end would be small segments (though I tend to believe they would be larger segments) of people poorly informed and who don’t give a damn anyway. So I ask, are these fringe groups………..?? ………or is a fringe group one by definition what has to have it’s hair on fire……….and is having your hair on fire and bad thing?
This guy, Van Jones, the idiot Green Czar that Obama has hired and drawn close to him, would qualify both for being a fringe group person in derivation, and also has his hair on fire. If he was vetted at all for his job it surely reveals that Obama is on a direct path for change of the order the American people didn’t sign up for….. or conversely, if he wasn’t vetted…….even more so shows Obama’s agenda. People, please look in to this…… Glenn Beck, IMV, is doing the American public an incredible service by, if nothing else, attempting to connect the dots for us……it’s up to us to accept them or not, given our own intelligence and bias’ – I choose to believe them, mostly, Kevin chooses not to, most likely. I put my mid-sixties age, 30 years of USAF active duty….post military retirement business success in two different occupations etc, on the table as evidence to support some level of maturity and at least semblance of credibility. So, to be fair, I’d be interested to see what Kevin can put on the table, noting that what ever it is, it surely would not be the sum total of thinking ability or maturation.
Obama has gathered around him and hired as many as 20 Czar’s to be his personal advisors and to provide interface with all sorts of community organizer organizations and semi organized agencies with nebulous sounding names. They are on the payroll of the American public, all of them – you are paying for them. Why was this done – and why do they exist? It doesn’t take rocket scientist credentials to observe that by appointing these people and having them report directly to him they don’t have to be vetted or confirmed at all. Interesting, isn’t it? So, this Van Jones, the Green Czar has just this year very recently openly blamed white American for intentionally poisoning the water of black communities and when asked in May by an audience participant to one of his rally’s, why the conservatives didn’t need all this and that to move their ideas forward……his answer was……..because they are ASSHOLES……. that was the sum total of his answer. Complete answer? I doubt it……. in over his head on that issue, most likely…… His intention as in agenda, as he has said vociferously and often since being given his post by Obama, that is within the past six months on many occasions.and while on your payroll, I might add…..is to turn the entire system on it’s head……….not try to fix it, mind you……if indeed it is broken, which he proclaims loudly and often it is……… but to remove it and replace it completely – what the hell does that mean and what does it entail…????….. and would only a fringe group be concerned about such statements..????…..issued loudly and frequently……????? When the White House is asked directly and repeatedly and numerous times if they know that they have an avowed communist on their staff, their answer is always the same. AND THIIS IS NO BULLSHIT…..not only do they NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION, and this the WH, mind you, …………..but simply that he is functioning in a specific area. Nothing else.
There are many more people who need to wake up and smell the coffee while they can still get it without a ration coupon.
Quite a few are waking up, seems, but not nearly enough yet.
Just one small facet of the fix………term limits, I agree, are a necessity if we are ever to get any kind of beginning of a handle on the mess we’re in. Not only term limits but provisions to deny a retirement income to congressional members unless certain conditions are met…..
This business, now concluded, thankfully, of Kennedy and his great contributions, etc……please, Lord, deliver me.
Most people don’t know that Ted Kennedy was thrown out of Harvard for cheating. He was then denied an Army commission for cheating again. He was not convicted of murder or negligent homicide in the Chappaquiddick thing…….. even though he fled the scene of the accident and attempted to get his own cousin to take the rap for him – no kidding – he was called by the Mass.state police and told that if he didn’t return immediately to the scene of the accident that a warrant would be issued for his arrest without delay…… The iMass Supreme Ct directed that pnvestigation be held in secret and the presiding judge stated that Kennedy’s story appeared to be untrue and that he would seem to have some level of fault – a grand jury investigation issued a report but did not call for indictment of him so the SC Judge made his report public after which Kennedy said the report was “not justified”. True story. Skated again.
Read what happend – page down to Chappaquiddick : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#Chappaquiddick_incident
…..then three weeks after the accident he got his sister in law, Bobby Kennedy’s widow, none the less, to be the one to phone the parents of Mary Jo Kopechne to apologize, not having the balls or confidence or sense of responsibility to do it himself. He also, as a sitting senator, perjured himself in the rape trial of his nephew, Joseph Kennedy Smith, who we all know, was indicted for rape of a girl. He claimed in testimony that his nephew was with him and therefore unable to have done the crime – when this was subsequently proven false it was ignored because he was Ted Freakin Kennedy, after all. Would you or me get that kind of break – firstly we wouldn’t even do it, but if we did they would throw us in jail and throw away the key and you know it. His lawyer during that fiasco was none other than the Lebanese daughter of one of his best friends – she coached him and counseled him and kept him out of jail – her reward, he married her after the trial was over. Now she is given great kudos for bringing out the softer side of the creep, in his waning years. The very next year he was reelected to the US Senate with 62% of the vote.
Then he stayed in congress for a total of 47 years….. a post that was never intended to be a career for anyone……….. but all the liberals are raving and raving and raving about his freaking CAREER……his CONGRESSIONAL CAREER….. Like to even have one is a good thing……
Ted Kennedy, his life, his crimes and his excesses, IMP is a perfect metaphor for illnesses and excesses besetting this country.
I simply can’t stand it.
Yeah, Dennis, “liberals” like John McCain, Orin Hatch, George W. Bush and Pat Buchanan (just to name a few) are all just raving about Ted Kennedy.
Talk about picking and choosing.
But, clearly I don’t have the credentials to even warrant a discussion with you so I will stop now and let you get back to letting Glen Beck connect the dots for you.
Interesting points as usual Dennis. I certainly agree with your thoughts on what constitutes the “fringe”. Basically, the vast majority of people in the USA are not actively “engaged”. Thus by definition, those who are on both the right and left, are on the fringe. And you are correct, that is not necessairly a bad thing.
You know, most Americans are middle of the road on most issues. I think what has happened to Obama in polls is a reflection of this. Obama campaigned as a moderate and is governing as a leftist. That is obviously not sitting well with a clear majority of the electorate.
Faced with this same situation, Clinton moved to the middle and for the most part was effective. Only time will tell if Obama is also politically astute enough to do so.
And Kevin, what about the guy (can’t think of his name, the CEO of Whole Foods). Now, he’s a liberal who offered some sensible alternatives to Obamacare in a WSJ editorial. And the left has turned on him, calling for a boycott. So, who is trying to drown out the debate?
That’s the saddest thing of all I think. Robust political discourse is no longer welcomed in America, and that is a bad thing for democracy.
Far from drowning out debate the incident heated up the debate. Note it even made an appearance here. The boycotters were not trying to silence him but express their disapproval with his opinion.
Had you read his op-ed piece you would know he stated that health care is not a right or a need up there with food and shelter. Well that kind of overlooks the fact that people lose their shelter when their medical bills get too high. He is right of course, health care is not a right but then that is not what health care reform is about and even he conceded that health care reform is needed. Some of his suggestions were seriously naive but a couple had merit such as limits on lawsuits. I completely disagree that insurance companies should not be mandated to cover certain things. Without that mandate insurance companies might not cover child birth. Please don’t think this is far fetched. When my Aunt had her first child she was sweating the actual date of birth because her husband’s insurance company would only cover it if the baby was born ten months after she was added to her husband’s policy. In 1981 when I had my daughter Hillary child birth was mandated but only for care of the mother. So I had to pay for the infant care costs and unfortunately for me she was jaundiced and stayed in a special care nursery for a week. Many still do not cover birth control even while covering viagra!
I don’t understand why you think pushing for health care reform is governing from the left. Obama has the business community behind him on this to include the Wholefoods CEO. Obama laid out a framework -objectives he wanted achieved but he left it to Congress to design the plan for meeting those objectives. The economic stimulus package—first set in motion by a Republican and again supported by the business community.
Are Americans getting antsy over health care? You bet they are but their fears are being fed by misinformation. The sad part is a lot of it -the push against health care reform is driven by by nothing more than the fact that he is a Democrat and this is seen as a tool to change the White House in three years.
As evidence of this I need point no further than to remarks made by Frank and Dennis. Frank comments on the fact that Obama has not released his college transcripts. So what. McCain didn’t either. The public really does not need to see his transcript. Just because he is President does not mean every facet of his life must be opened to public inspection. We have what we need. We know where he went to school and what degree he obtained and we know that he graduated second in his class at Harvard. What he did in his undergraduate years is irrelevant.
The truth is this all goes back to trying to prove he is not an American and therefore cannot hold office. Give it a rest!
Dennis goes off on a rant about Ted Kennedy. I think the idea is that Democrats as a group are bad and Obama is a Democrat therefore he is bad. He also rants about Obama’s special advisers that he believes are a run around the confirmation process. Bush had special advisors, so did Clinton so did Reagan. None of them had to be confirmed.
VJ: Not sure what your comments mean? Is it, I (me) you think are acting Canadian, or Kevin? As I said, it’s the goverment who will cripple me from taking care of myself. I don’t want the goverment to do anything for me financially or physically. I’ve already seen what they have done to medicade and social security. It was in the 80’s when we found out that instead of the money, being withheld, for SS not actually going into SS it was going into a general fund. Then congress decided how much actually made it to SS. The rest they were using as their own personal piggy bank to pay for their pork barrel projects. Congress has an automatic 7.5% pay increase every year. That just happens to go through when they are on summer recess. They don’t vote on it and they all run and hide so you can not question them about it. Now Obama is cutting federal employee pay raises from 2.4% to 2%. these are the middle class people who actually need the money. TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. “why isn’t the goverment helping me more” hell if they help me anymore I’ll be in a soup line. Do I blame the goverment? Hell yes I do. The cash for clunkers is just the latest example of what happens when goverment gets involved. Ford (did not take stimulus money) out sold both GM and Chrysler combined. Chrysler was not even on the chart. GM saw a sales increase but hey, if they sold 10 cars, that was an increase. The top 10 cars sold were foreign autos. Who really won in our tax dollar give-away? The Japanese. I said, even before Gleen Beck did his expose, connect the dots. I pointed out a number of the people he mentioned. Try Jeffery Jones, co-founder with Bill Ayres of the Weather Underground. “Oh I don’t know Bill, just another guy in the neighborhood”. More later. I don’t have the energy Dennis has….
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/02/dan-gainor-obama-oprah-vacation/
1. Some truth in what Fortuneate opines, as usual…..but just as much fog and inaccuracy too.
2. Ted Kennedy was a scum bag who got literally, away with murder – end of story. To get anything else out of that is just absurd. No reflection on any other Democrat – sorry to burst your hope bubble, but they have their own sins to pay for.
3. Kevin whatever type of comparison or point you were trying to make by naming Geo Bush, McCain, Hatch and Cheney was totally lost on me. I don’t get it.
4. The ‘fringe we speak of is the very same fringe that Fortuneate pointed out were flawed in her former comment about Glenn Beck, Pat Caddell and Michelle Malkin a few days ago and it was miss-applied then too.
5. It’s natural to shoot the messenger, I understand. Any flawed point ruins the entire comment – it’s human nature, I suppose ,and the primary reason why IG’s have murder boards. Obama is bad all on his own and he led the American public down a prim-rose path probably to the destruction of their way of life unless something can be done in time…..and time is of the essence…… He talked openly and skillfully about his plans but couched in tones that made them appear non-threatening and even somewhat desirable to a nation greatly desiring productive change – his isn’t and won’t be and the fruits are beginning to show already.
6. Yes, several presidents had appointees, even Czar’s, sometimes several in fact. But several was the max, not more than 20 which Obama has and none with the heinous track records that his have -. the Democrats with their well known and well-worn unapologetic double standards would never have stood for that. Look it up, or better yet, hold your nose, suppress the gag reflex and listen to or watch Glenn Beck for an accounting. Just for an accounting – you might learn something – at least you could get some facts straight about how much you discredit him and hate him.
7. Obama’s Doctoral Dissertation is sealed. Why? His birth records are sealed. why? Who in the hell ever heard of such a thing? Even if there was no reason to question him, which there is plenty of…..(and just wait awhile….. it’ll get more intense, surely)…… but by taking such actions you are asking for trouble. Trouble like having thinking people ask simple questions like…… “I wonder if he’s trying to hide something????” Yeah, I wonder. I’m probably not much of a thinker but I can figure that one out.
8, Of course the opposing party will make a political football out of any issue that goes into a tail-spin or is open for question and is flawed. That’s politics. Some speak as though it’s unfair to do so , but more accurately, to complain about that is just simply naive. Anyone with half a brain knows the American health care system needs a lot of fixing. Entitlements, HMO practices and HMO market controls which drive up the cost of health insurance astronomically, overbilling, padding needed test orders because they can, mal-practice insurance scams. ….. on and on, and this only scratches the surface ……… but what Obama is doing through his vaunted leaders, Pelosi, Reid, and many others is simply laughable. Anyone with a brain could do the math when he made all the promises during his campaign rhetoric, which anyone with said brain could easily see on it’s face couldn’t be done. Gimme a break – that constitutes a lie in my book. He lied openly and directly to the American public and now he can’t do what he said he would do……no one would be able to. But you hide and watch. Of one thing I am absolutely sure will come to pass if and when the Obama administration gets it’s health care bill passed…..it will surely include health coverage for illegal aliens….. right out of your and my pocket. But the Democrats are so fair and honest and magnanimous and ever so much deserve to be in leadership…..for about another 15 months by my measure…..at the rate they are making friends among the American people.
No need, in probable fact, to criticize them and shout them down. Just sit and watch them self-destruct. It’s a sure thing.
Anyone want to talk about the vaunted Charlie Rangel and his double standards?
Better not get me started.
For anyone who wants a better look at Obama’s taste in Czars:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/02/white-house-green-jobs-adviser-republicans-assholes/?test=latestnews
First time he ever apologized for anything and only because he doesn’t want to get fired so quickly – but he will soon enough, most likely.
Still hasn’t addressed his comments about how white americans are intentionally poisoning the water of black americans. That and many other similar comments all while on the payroll that you are paying for.
The point I was making Dennis, is that all of those people raved about what a great Senator Kennedy was and none of them are liberals. You can’t take away the bad things in Kennedy’s life but you can’t overlook the good either. There are many REPBULICANS that have spent the past several days praising his work in Washington.
So you get lost when I make a simple point that it isn’t just “liberals” who respect Kennedy and don’t think he is scum but you understand Glen Beck?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0OUXkZO8vE&feature=player_embedded
He needs to connect the dots in his head. I am pretty sure “OLIGARHY” isn’t even a word. But nice job anyway.
Just trying to address a few points here.
Ok, Kevin. I finally get it – the dim bulb came on. IMO, there is a better than 50% chance that those guys were being politically correct in praising him – and maybe recognition of that point interfered with my ability to understand what you meant. A related point of significance, Kennedy’s memoir, written just before his death is coming out soon and advance copy reveals that he was ‘apparently’ profoundly distressed and ashamed of his ‘inexcusable’ conduct after the Mary Jo Kopechne debacle – so much so that it apparently ‘haunted’ him for four decades. Ok. I forgive him, but I don’t excuse him and I would never trust him fully ever again.
Link to story here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,546020,00.html
It haunted him so much that he stayed in congress for 40 more years poking it in the eye of his adversaries every chance he got as a mean-spirited man who only ‘softened’ at least three decades later after his late in life marriage to the lawyer/Lebanese daughter of his good friend who tutored him and taught him and drilled him on how to lie to protect his nephew during his nephew’s trial for rape – the one in which he perjured himself for which he was never held accountable – really good guy, huh? My rule of thumb when I see such shenanigans as Kennedy pulled on the rape thing is I try to ask myself how would I feel and what would I do if it was my daughter, not some economically average unknown girl on the beach in Miami – what about trying to help her some? I wonder if he had been able to internalize that, if he had been able to think of Mary Jo Kopechne as his sister or his daughter, what his actions might have been? He is and was a scum-bag and he managed, primarily due to the cache’ of his family’s authority and reputation, and by exploiting and depending on the memory of his two assassinated brothers, to not only escape prosecution for his crime, but to carry on his exploitation of the political system, our political system, yours and mine, that we pay for……for 40 more years. I have always wondered how or why these guys who sit ensconced in luxury by virtue of their family wealth are often the one’s who seemingly, much more than others, tout help for the downtrodden and derelict – free health care, food-stamps, Earned Income Credit and Chile Tax Credits for children of ‘economically depressed, (we used to call that ‘poor, but can’t do that anymore in this PC world) families, free on demand abortions, amnesty for illegal’s, it goes on and on……. I note here that I’ve never read an account of any of these rich guys (or women either) inviting any of these poor people home for dinner or of voluntarily redistributing any of their own wealth to the poor or such as that – a measure such as that of Gandhi or Mother Teresa, which wold be recognizably real and a valid expresion of true concern. As the saying goes, talk is cheap.
So I figure it’s probably out of guilt more than anything else, and in the case of Kennedy, guilt finely honed after his behavior at Chappaquiddick – his guilt over that, if present, probably was at the root of his over the top continual bleating and harping to pass more and more give-away laws, ostensibly to help those who apparently can’t help themselves and he was willing to spend any amount of our money to assuage his personal guilt, but none of his own. And who are those benefitting from the give-aways, who apparently can’t help themselves? The welfare mom’s with eight kids each, primarily from different fathers, who get free everything and sit with their hugely obese bodies watching color TV all day long – the one’s who block the isles in the grocery stores with the electric carts due to their massive sizes, since they can’t really walk any more, and then pay with food stamps at check-out? The ones who it’s become completely politically incorrect to even mention in polite company such that some of those reading these comments are made uncomfortable very probably. The same one’s who often perpetuate the problem by representing to their young daughters that it’s okay to live that way and to become an unwed mother at 15 YOA or sometimes even younger. Why is it that with all the opportunity in the USA, in employment and available work for those who will do it, that these people are ‘disadvantaged’ and remain so, and have to be given all the essentials of life in order to survive? Why is it that the immigrants come over here and do so well, in comparison, and prosper so dramatically? I personally know a dozen families or more to have done so. How is it that a person can come into the US, illegally even, manage to avoid being caught, find primarily off the book work and make enough to support themselves while here and even send back enough to support their personal family plus their entire extended families back in the country of their origin? How the hell is that possible that this can happen but our own citizens can’t manage to fend for themselves?
Another thing I’ve never understood is how members of congress can be such die-hard political adversaries yet good personal friends? What’s up with that, asked in the potential mild possibility that the ones who praised Kennedy actually liked him on a personal basis? I don’t get that at all and it makes me suspect that they are all frauds or actors on a stage or something. How can you separate such personal profound feelings for what you apparently consider your life’s chosen work (fraudulent though it is because of the absense of term-limits) from your personal views? Either they are way past me on the evolutionary scale or they are frauds or perhaps I have a missing piece of my puzzle somewhere, which is entirely possible, I realize.
So, toward concluding – all you fringe dwellers and commenter’s…………the fringe broadcaster, Glenn Beck, occasionally vilified and probably despised by at least a couple of commenter’s to this board, and the very guy who can’t connect the dots properly in his own head or spell Oligarchy…… that Glenn Beck……. well his ratings are up 180% over the last rating period measured……….and that of Fox news by itself is up 170+% in the same time period – eclipsing the other competitor network’s totals COMBINED? Wow. What of that? How in the hell can this fringe fool do such a thing……. ??? ……..well, he’s obviously using voo doo or something………….or lying to everyone. Yeah, that’s it, he’s lying. And everyone knows how gullible the American public is, particularly those who watch TV news.
But is it just possible that the American public is fed up with what’s going on in the Obama administration???? Some of whom may even regret their guillibility and perhaps even a few are a little embarrassed to have voted for him having swallowed his hook, line and sinker so completely?
I wish I could understand the liberal mind, I really do, but I don’t and I don’t think I can, and I strongly suspect that Liberalizm is a Mental Disorder, as Ann Coulter decides in her book by the same title. I can’t understand how otherwise good and decent people can ignore all the things liberals in congress do and all the manipulation and the very, very worst of all, the obnoxious and consistent double-standards by which they don’t hold themselves accountable for the very things the persecute their opponents for, that they wantonly exhibit, in hiring and firing and being held accountable and of having their hands caught in the till over and over and over and all such things. No, I’m not saying Republicans are necessarily any better, though I think conservatives naturally, well, more conservative along those lines. Well, I have personally re-registered as an Independent as a result. But thinking people oughta be able to see real differences in the core nature of the liberal transgressions, comparatively. Power corrupts, undoubtedly and, yes, it surely seems that absolute power corrupts absolutely…….. none are without guilt or culpability, it surely seems true.
Did anyone note that, in the news, Obama’s WH has apparently decided to drop their effort via the NEA to get grade school kids to pledge allegiance to the Earth and to Obama???? and to write essays and give skits and try to figure out how they can ‘SERVE’, yes serve, the President? I thought it was the President’s job to serve the citizen, not vise versa.
Does anyone else see this drift………?? Or is it, rather, a headlong rush to remake the very nature of what America is?
If you’ve made it this far, thanks for trying to follow my drivel. No offense intended to anyone.
We get it Dennis. You don’t like Ted Kennedy. And apparently anyone that does is either a liberal or half lying. Gotcha.
And I actually like Glen Beck He is one of my favorite comedians.
Well, Kev, what about the rest of the post…… the non-Kennedy stuff? You in denial here or have I just worn you out? You are just so clever, aren’t you?
If the point of my post was to simply say I didn’t like TK, you’d be right, but quite obviously, it isn’t. Even so, I would probably have to agree mostly with your point about anyone who likes/liked him – but I’d expand the category to include those who are totally lying, versus half, half-liars would probably be able to see through him, most likely, and those in denial, married to him or members in his family too.
And does that mean that you don’t want another couple of reams of data on him……..I got more you know….??
BTW, Glen is spelled Glenn…….is that damage by faint attention to detail??? Not good on someone you like…
Actually Glenn is an excellent comedian – good of you to mention that – It’s one of the main reasons I originally became a listener of his………but he’s doing far greater service to the nation in an analyst role, STM.
I know you most likely won’t agree with this last point, but then, that’s just you, Kev, innit?
And by the way, are you speaking for everyone with your ‘We get it Dennis’, remark? I generally try to speak for myself which is more necessary with my stronger views.
But you are just so clever.
BTW, how’s your Messiah doing these days?
Denis, I mean Dennis, I chose not waste my time responding to your view that being liberal is a mental disorder(and citing Anne, I mean Ann Coulter). **I guess the best way to try to understand someone that thinks lydifferent than you is assume they have a mental disorder** Is being black or Jewish a mental disorder too?
Anyway, I did my best to respond to the parts of your long post that, to me, seemed within the basic realm of sanity.
How is my Messiah? Oh, the old cliche’ question people ask to those who actually support the current president of the United States. He’s not my Messiah-maybe he is yours-you spend a lot of time obsessing over him.
I know it is your civic duty to not like people like me because I am destroying the Republic. How did I and so many people like me destroy this country and create this mess? Who will make us pay?
I guess I have a mental disorder. But at least I am clever.
Oh, and I am very sorry for saying WE get it instead of I get it. I can see how such a thing would set a guy off.
Wow. Kev, you are just so cleaver.
Guess that is what you respond when you run out of Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Fox News talking points.
I’m marking this down in the win column and moving on.
Yeah, Kevin, you win.
I suspect maybe you always win, don’t you, and probably keep score too, huh ?
Earlier tonight I had all but decided to sort of let you off the hook, so to speak. That is, just try to avoid commenting on your posts, not so much as to ignore you but more to just leave you alone with your views – despite the pot-stirring you continually do and the miss-information and error you continue to put out. But now after this last post of yours here just above, I don’t think I’ll be able to do that.
Just lettin you know.
Maybe better gird your loins.
Dennis I am going to skip the first 4 points you made to start with number 5.
5. Obama is bad. I have seen you “connecting the dots.” This man is bad and Obama knows him, worked at the same college as him, served on the same Board as him etc., etc. A person is not bad because they know, worked with, whatever another person who was bad. Just because you don’t know how he paid for Harvard or his house doesn’t make him a bad person. The fact that he is a Democrat with an agenda you do not like does not make him a bad person. Can you point to an action he has taken that would in fact make him a bad person?
6.The number of special advisors-not political appointees–has never been made an issue of until now under Obama. No one was counting them until now. This is just another example of attacking the President through any means possible and quite frankly it serves no useful purpose but to feed the fire that was already burning in your heart. You hate Obama because he is not a Republican pure and simple.
7. Obama’s Doctoral Dissertation is not sealed nor is his birth certificate. His birth certificate has been produced. I suggest you visit Factcheck.org. No one has a “vault birth certificate.” Those are kept by the state in the “vault” so when a person requests a copy –a true and certified copy–one can be provided based off of the vault certificate. What you will have is a certificate of live birth either a long form or a short form depending on your age. His thesis was lost apparently by the school. Even if it had not been, what is the relevance of the thesis? What does it prove other than what he concluded on one particular subject at a much younger age? The guy running for govenor -the Republican candidate–in VA wrote that working women and feminists are detrimental to the family. Of course he wrote that about 20 years ago. Currently he employs women-married women with children.
People’s views change with age. Trust me. You wouldn’t believe where John was, idealistically speaking, 35 years ago based on the opinions he espouses today. Sometimes a person’s opinions change radically!
8. “Of course the opposing party will make a political football out of any issue that goes into a tail-spin or is open for question and is flawed. That’s politics. Some speak as though it’s unfair to do so , but more accurately, to complain about that is just simply naive.” Really. So its anything goes. Make stuff up. Spread unfounded rumors. Abandon civility and common sense. All these things that we generally consider to be the hallmark of a flawed character are perfectly acceptable when it comes to politics. Now who is being naive?
Fortuneate, those point made way too much sense for Dennis to possibly comprehend.
Kudos on your grammar and typing skills too.