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Should go like Canada. I have a 3 1/2 month wait to see a specialist.
Public health care ftw.
» Posted By The Goat On 21/September/2009 @ 2:16 pm
Heh. Good stuff.
» Posted By The Goat On 20/September/2009 @ 2:09 am
Labor Day indeed.
» Posted By The Goat On 07/September/2009 @ 11:13 am
Crap.
“Have you considered that they are actually not taught notto object or criticize and that it is simply not considered an option?
That’s a lot of nots.
Negotiate the other errors on your own.
» Posted By The Goat On 07/September/2009 @ 10:26 pm
Well all that quoting and such there was bound to be at least one mistake (damn no preview function!)
The section that has back to back quotes should have had: “What part of what I wrote did he not understand?” in quotes and “I understood everything. It is how you presented it that was disagreeable” unquoted.
And for the record, I was glad that Obama beat out Clinton and was indifferent to him winning the presidency. So far, he has been a fair bit less than impressive with his policies. Regardless, my opinions on Obama, the Democrats, Republicans or Mithraists(?) have nothing to do with the original statement.
» Posted By The Goat On 07/September/2009 @ 10:18 pm
Yes it is so disgusting that children would sing a song about spreading happiness and freedom.
Off topic and irrelevant to the initial claim that kids are being used as pawns.
While you object to the indoctrination of children into a political philosophy the truth is parents do that….
Poor choice of language in that you assert that all parents indoctrinate their children. Stats to back that up?
…nd since when was that objectionable to Republicans, who promote themselves as the defender of the family?
You assume I am a Republican. Why is that? I am not a Republican nor am I a Democrat. Furthermore, your statement implies that there cannot exist mutual exclusivity between promoting family values and political indoctrination of children. I see those as quite different.
I believe that includes the right to teach one’s kids the values you believe are important.
And I asked who determines what values are appropriate for children who probably do not yet have the capacity to make informed decisions using the rather benign example of South Korean schoolchildren being taught hate from both parents and schools.
Clearly the parents of these children supported Obama and had no objections to their kids wearing Obama t-shirts and singing a song supporting Obama’s election.
Clearly they have no objection in involving their kids in a political process as pawns. Do it for the future…do it for the kids (appeal to emotion), right? That is what I object to in the first place.
ohn’s video is funny and its a poke in the eye to those parents who involved their kids in this. Its a kind of cautionary tale about the slippery slope on which they stand done in a humorous fashion. It holds a grain of truth which is why its funny but kind of horrifying at the same time. You aren’t suppose to leap however, to the conclusion that the two situations are exactly the same. They aren’t. Its not suppose to make you disgusted or angry but make you think.
You assert that you know the one truth behind the meaning of the video. As mentioned, I see it differently.
Its okay for kids to sing songs supporting change even….
Once again, if you say so…
See those little Korean kids are taught that they cannot do that. Therein lies the difference.
I did not know that you were fully familiar with how the children are raised in the north and what they are taught and not taught. Have you considered that they are actually not taught to object or criticize and that it is simply not considered an option?
I didn’t need to see you write that to know that you fear “someone†is indoctrinating these kids…
Pretty heavy presumption…that was wrong again.
Those kids are part of an orgainization called Obama kids. It is a volunteer group that was part of the Organize America campaign. Mom and dad had to be on board or else they wouldn’t be there. Now if their parents want to teach them that Obama is good and the right man for the job well–hold on to your hat–that is their right! Parents get to teach their kids the values they want them to have.
That’s all fine and dandy. I couldn’t care less about that at all. It is the fact that they produce videos and parade them around to “support” their cause using the aforementioned appeal to emotion fallacy.
Parents are the only people who have a right to determine the policitcal and religious values their kids will be taught.
Too broad and all encompassing which elicited the more extreme examples to make my point. Your assertion implies that it is always ok if it’s the parents that do it. I strongly disagree.
Now had this been a school organized activity then I would agree with you that it was highly inappropriate. However, it was not. Schools have no business teaching political values based on what is better for the country–Democrats or Republicans. In North Korea kids ARE taught the values espoused by their government which means Kim Jong-il in school.
Off topic and irrelevant to anything mentioned.
Goat was abrasive and veered seriously off tract.
This actually left me speechless. My point was regarding using kids for political purposes. Everything else in this thread was initiated by you (to which I foolishly responded).
I understood everything. It is how you presented it that was disagreeable.
Next thing you know he is talking about killing people and Satanism and I am recoiling and wondering where did that come from?
Absurd examples to counter the absurd notion that parents have the right to teach whichever values they choose.
Kids tend to grow up and choose their own party.
I would prefer my kids to choose policy over party. But that is just me.
I am not aware that I made any controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic remarks.
Nothing was really controversial or inflammatory but most was off topic. You attacked arguments I never made and made many assertions. I never said that the children singing were disgusting. In fact, I never really talked about the children at all. One last quote…
I loathe any group person who uses kids to promote their political message.
Disgusting.
The only on topic argument against that (as I see it) would be to produce evidence and examples that the handlers for the group “Obama Kids” does not use the kids’ images or abilities for political gain.
» Posted By The Goat On 07/September/2009 @ 10:04 pm
I do not “fear” anything of the sort. I will state this as simply as I can for you:
Using kids for political means is generally bad.
No fear. No party preference. No value statements. Nothing. Just a simple statement.
Parents are the only people who have a right to determine the policitcal and religious values their kids will be taught.
Is that a blank cheque? Would a parent be able to teach Satanism? Celestial Teapotism? Mithraism? Or in reference to values could they teach that gays are satan’s spawn and must be destroyed? That abortion is murder and the murderers must be punished eye for an eye? Or a combination – Muslims are evil terrorists and should be feared/defeated. Or is it just in reference to “socially acceptable” values and religions? If so who determines the cut-off line for what is or what is not socially acceptable? Your pompous tone (whether by chance or design) seems to imply that you believe that you have the ability to decide what is right and wrong acceptable or not for everybody….
Or just maybe…just maybe they could instill social values such as honesty, integrity, kindness as well as the importance of education, reason and understanding and actually let the kids play a part in shaping their adult character. Far fetched, I know.
I will concede that in today’s society you are 100% correct. Parents can and will “teach” their kids to be mindless little donkeys or elephants and to blindly follow the party. Gotta love freedom.
For the love of the Teapot please stop making assertions of what is and what isn’t. I am not sure if it is an intended trolling strategy, a byproduct of poorly constructed arguments, or just boundless arrogance. And congratulations on taking me completely off topic and inducing me to address your strawmen. Well played.
» Posted By The Goat On 07/September/2009 @ 8:04 am
I have no response to the kids singing – my response is to the idiots that taught them. The disgust is not in the comparison either – it is in people using kids to promote something that they (the kids) know little to nothing about. It is my view that the people behind these kinds of videos and songs are simply using an appeal to emotion to promote their own political views.
Its okay for kids to sing songs supporting change even when the mantra is an election theme as long as these kids also know it is okay to criticize Obama or to support another candidate or position. See those little Korean kids are taught that they cannot do that. Therein lies the difference.
Well if you say it is ok then it must be; there is no point actually making an argument. Also congratulations of the fact that you completely destroyed an argument I never made.
I will, however, respond anyways. Whether the kids have the right to criticize or “support” another candidate is a moot point – in all probability they lack the mental capacity and/or experience to make a valid and informed decision. I also doubt that those teaching the kids presented the kids with unbiased information.
I also wonder what the reaction would be if one of the children actually spoke out against Obama and his policies (if on the slight possibility that the kid was actually informed and had valid criticism). Would he/she be chastised? Forced to sing along? Would they be able to opt out? Hard to say. If presented in this light the kids may not have as much freedom of choice as you seem to believe.
My interpretation of the video is quite simple: it is neither funny nor thought provoking – but the irony is delicious.
» Posted By The Goat On 07/September/2009 @ 3:46 am
1. Nice try on the first redirect.
2. You must have read the invisible typing where I said that it was ok for Republicans to do so. You got me there.
Furthermore, teaching kids values is a far cry from teaching them silly dances and singing in tribute to a guy they probably know nothing about either as a person or in reference to party politics.
If parents are able to teach their children values that they believe are important, what conditions apply? I have seen murals in Korea by elementary school students citing death to Japan and Japanese citizens done as a school project and clearly condoned by parents. Or does the freedom to teach apply to only those things that you personally agree with?
Disgusting.
» Posted By The Goat On 06/September/2009 @ 1:41 pm
I loathe any group person who uses kids to promote their political message.
Disgusting.
» Posted By The Goat On 06/September/2009 @ 6:18 am
Arrogant and a dumbass. I am not exactly sure how a video can be in a compromising position…next to Bush? Under Obama? Listed after some bikini girls?
Excuse me? He said I do not allow filming because they tend to end up on Youtube and he was right! How the heck do you dispute that?!!
“Usually the films that are done…end up on youtube in a compromising position”
I will give him the benefit of the doubt and interpret the meaning as “out of context”. However, the video seems to provide all necessary context which definitely does not make him right.
» Posted By The Goat On 06/September/2009 @ 3:51 pm
I knew it had to be something…
Picture 1 – pretty much exactly the right amount
Picture 2 – waaaaaay to much. /shudder
» Posted By The Goat On 06/September/2009 @ 1:53 pm
Little tight in there for sure but a helluva good place! I think I have been there one or two times…and yeah…the burgers rock!
Nice write up John.
» Posted By The Goat On 27/August/2009 @ 12:57 pm
Good stuff.
» Posted By The Goat On 12/August/2009 @ 2:06 am
Awesome place for playing. Gonna miss it along with the new Dolce.
The spicy chicken burger is amazing – try it!
» Posted By The Goat On 12/August/2009 @ 1:47 am
I hear ya…
The food (in my opinion) has always been quite good there but as you mentioned you may just starve before you get it. Good food – crap service.
I think Geckos and TAP need to find a happy medium…my most said words in TAP?
“Can I take off my jacket first?”
Keep em comin’
» Posted By The Goat On 06/August/2009 @ 12:30 am
Played just good enough to lose
Ouch…
» Posted By The Goat On 29/July/2009 @ 2:01 am
Awesome idea John.
» Posted By The Goat On 21/July/2009 @ 3:40 pm
What VJ said.
I can’t even recall how I enjoyed life and such in Seoul before meeting all you guys in and around SIDL.
» Posted By The Goat On 21/July/2009 @ 3:43 pm
Whoever invented the pool bar deserves a frickin’ medal.
» Posted By The Goat On 21/July/2009 @ 3:45 pm
That is one hell of a comprehensive list!
» Posted By The Goat On 09/May/2008 @ 4:27 pm
Hmmm…I think you nailed it there John. In my defense, we headed back to BlessU for multiple beers and whiskey/cokes (drowning the sorrows). I did the best I could with the memories I had!
» Posted By The Goat On 21/February/2007 @ 12:02 am
About the Kiwi…LOL at that!
God I love talking with libs – most of em don’t know their ass from their elbow and keep spouting off the catchphrase of the day.
» Posted By The Goat On 13/February/2007 @ 7:53 am
«« Back To Stats PageNice! I am quite glad that we made it over there for some late night darts…if you can call what we did darts. More like a bunch of really drunk guys throwing randomly at a fuzzy target while hoping for the best.
Good times and looking forward to next week!
» Posted By The Goat On 13/February/2007 @ 7:50 am